this was somebody who said there is a role for government, he agreed with president obama on education to get those women voters on board. you know, it was a different calibration about a more centrist -- >> did you see a tack to the center? there were times romney was saying we'll keep the good things in obama care, get rid of the bad things. we'll keep the good things in bowles-simpson and get rid of the bad things. we'll keep the good things in the banking regulations but get rid of the onerous things. >> coming out of this debate, the conservatives have really been fired up. look at the "wall street journal" editorial page today which is sort of a signal of where things are going in conservative thinking. they're very positive and yet at the same time, i think with a lot of sublety, he made other people, say women, feel more comfortable with him, that it wasn't sort of extreme, that he had an understanding. i thought that was probably the most graceful thing they did in the debate. they made him aggressive and more comfortable at the same time. >> we will also talk to ralph reed ab